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quotePosted at 13:41 on 19th November 2015

Whilst on holiday, I went into a duty free camera shop with a chum who wanted a new zoom lens for sport photography. As he peered through the expensive glass, I was tempted to handle a Nikon D750. I did and was infatuated with it, as it felt so good and looking through my 24-105 lens made my wallet twitch with a desire to free my credi card. It was a very close call but self control prevailed. Now, I'm seriously considering going "full frame" as most of my lenses are okay for such s beast. My D300 has served me well, and it even bounced from a height onto a concrete step earliest this year, and survived. I'm tempted to keep it snyway as it's probably worth all of half a crown now! 

Anyone out there that can offer me advice? Is the difference really as much as I might hope for?  

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quotePosted at 16:55 on 19th November 2015

Somehow my name has disappeared off the previous post so I am re-posting here --

 

Hi Rod, I can only give you my impressions based on my Canon EOS 5D Mark I (full-frame, 12.8 MP, announced in 2005) and my Canon EOS 7D Mark I (1.6X crop sensor, 18.0 MP, announced in 2009), so please bear in mind my cameras are somewhat 'dated', but I think the comparisons are still generally valid.

PLUS for full-frame : Even though my full-frame camera is older, the image noise is noticeably less than my newer crop-sensor camera,  particularly at higher ISO settings. I think this is due to the greater size of the pixels on the full-frame sensor, allowing more light to fall on each pixel.

PLUS for full-frame : The full-frame camera will give the widest possible angle of view for a given focal length i.e. A 28 mm lens will appear quite wide on full-frame, but the same lens will be equivalent to only 45 mm on a 1.6X crop sensor camera.Your wide-angle lenses will stay wide, which is very useful if you do landscapes and cityscapes

PLUS for full-frame : For the same subject and framing, the full-frame camera gives a shallower depth of field, simply because you have to get closer to the subject to fill the frame. This is a definite plus for portraiture.

PLUS for Full-Frame : Bigger, brighter viewfinder.

MINUS for Full-Frame : More expensive.

MINUS for Full-Frame : Generally not as fast in frames-per-second because the big mirror has more inertia. Sports and wildlife photographers will need to pay serious money to get a full-frame camera doing 10 frames-per-second.

MINUS for Full-Frame : Lenses suitable for full-frame are generally more expensive than the lenses designed solely for crop sensor and will be physically larger for a particular focal length / aperture.

MINUS for Full-Frame : Physically bigger and  heavier camera body.

These are just a few points which occurred to me. In summary, full frame excels for portraiture, interiors, landscapes and low-light conditions, and the crop sensor is better for sports use and general walk-about. The size of the wallet (particularly if buying new) is the major factor, which is why I tend to buy second-hand. I don't know if there is an older Nikon full frame camera which is worth a try. For the Canon user such as myself, a good used example of the Canon 5D Mark I can now be picked up for under £400. 
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quotePosted at 17:17 on 19th November 2015

Thank you Edward. More fodder for my grey cells.

When I do plump for a full frame, I'll certainly hang on to my D300 for a while at least, as my 10-20 Sigma is a wonderful lens and to replace that will prove expensive.

I certainly take note of what you say.

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quotePosted at 18:13 on 19th November 2015
On 19th November 2015 17:17, Rod Burkey wrote:

>> as my 10-20 Sigma is a wonderful lens and to replace that will prove expensive>>.


Certainly it is expensive to get the equivalent range of focal length for full-frame ...the Canon 16 - 35 f/2.8 LII lens costs over £1000 new, purely fantasy for me. However, I picked up a second-hand Tamron 19 - 35 full frame lens for around £100 which is nearly as good.
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quotePosted at 18:25 on 19th November 2015

Hi Edward; another good thread, well done!

As for the avatar not showing it times out after an hour, which is why it didn't show... "I must type faster" lol

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quotePosted at 19:07 on 19th November 2015
On 19th November 2015 18:25, Ron Brind wrote:

As for the avatar not showing it times out after an hour, which is why it didn't show... "I must type faster" lol


Thanks for the explanation, Ron.....two fingers !
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quotePosted at 19:08 on 19th November 2015
I've bought quite a few second hand lenses since I graduated into long trousers and they are great bargains. Never bought a "dud"........yet. It's certainly the way to go. I bought a Nikon 80mm F2 off a pro. It looked very well used, but what a lens! 

Edited by: Rod Burkey at:19th November 2015 20:22
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